Emulator

So you will say, that i no longer can play Mario Mart Wii with the latest Dev Builds on Win 7 with D3D? Sounds a little bit excessive. My Video Card is bad with OGL, and as you right mentioned, my card will not support D3D 11.1.
Could you not make a hack for Win 7 Users and D3D 11 only users who can use the old inaccurate logic op? For example Skip EFB Access from CPU is inaccurate too, but for perfomance reasons its good to enable that option.

You'd have to convince stenzek (or another GPU dev) to make a really nasty, complicated hack.

If Microsoft doesn't support the older Operating System... should we?

Microsoft does support Windows 7 until 2020, but independent thereof, my card does probably not support D3D 11.1. So if i would have Win 10, it wouldn't work anyway.

If your card does not support D3D 11.1, then you need to upgrade your GPU.

Microsoft chose not to implement a D3D11 feature into Windows 7. There isn't much we can do about that beyond an ugly hack that would make the code less maintainable, and less accurate, which many of us, including the graphics devs who actually have to deal with this, are against.

I think, there will be much people with video cards which maximum support D3D 11.
Does Mario Kart Wii run correct with D3D on Win 10? Can somebody confirm that?
Maybe Microsoft has some Workaround on Win 10 for video cards which only support D3D 11, and it will function, i will test that, but Dolphin should give a warning, that win 7 is no longer supported and cards which doesn't support D3D 11.1 are no longer supported too. Otherwise, many bugs could be reported which are no "real bugs".

I'm considering that idea. We did something similar for bounding box emulation back when you needed a fairly modern GPU for it to work.

I wonder if there's a way to do a fallback like that...

Win7/D3D11.0 cards are not "no longer supported". Games that don't require logic op will work perfectly fine on Windows 7, and D3D is not the only backend we offer. It's the same with early-z/bounding box as Helios said, games that don't require it will work fine on D3D10-level GPUs, but any games which do will break. A warning message is actually logged to the console if you enable the video channel.

As I stated before, the hack that previously made this "work" was incredibly inaccurate, and even if I had kept it around as part of the logicop PR, it would have been dropped as part of unifying/simplifying our video backends. Furthermore, any AMD (GCN) GPU from the last 5 years should support Vulkan, and can use our Vulkan backend. At some point we have to drop support for older hardware, especially when it becomes a maintenance burden.

I know it's not ideal, but if you must use D3D with MKWii, older builds are always an option.

DolphinZocker wrote:

Does Mario Kart Wii run correct with D3D on Win 10? Can somebody confirm that?

I've confirmed it.

@JosJuice Thanks for testing. I will upgrade to Win 10 and will test my D3D 11 Card.

@Stenzek
Ok you are right. I did miss the other backends. Does a game report if it is using logic op? If so, dolphin can then show a warning, if somebody uses Windows 7 or has a video card which is only supporting D3D 10 or 11. The warning could tell then, that the solution can be to use another backend.
My Video Card is from 2009 and doesn't support Vulkan, but i'm really satisfied with that card and have no reason to upgrade it. I think a lot of people did using old video cards, when i read, that many users can only support 2xIR.
OGL is an option for me, but it wouldn't deliver the same perfomance as with D3D.